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After playing for a good few days, i feel the anti-camp is not working very well, i'm still getting one shotted by m21's sitting in the same place every game on a regular basis and they are avoiding the anti camp DMG system by simply using stopping power which i tried myself , i was very rarely getting hitmarkers.

Also i think stuns need to be removed as by the time you actually can move or see when you get stunned your DMG is at 64 unless you constantly move but then you're at an even more disadvantage which i don't think should be the case.

TDM mod is really crowded so "blood effect" is not a good fit! however, "the increase in the time needed to heal back" seems fun! this way you might not get the kill but you get more assists.
Also because its hardcore "slow when hit" is useless! Like 99% of the time if you are hit you are dead already. 

I totally agree about the map rotation! Some of the maps are really atrocious in TDM. For example, Ambush, Chinatown, Vacant... They are just way too unbalanced. Crash is fine in my opinion because it's balanced. Yes, there is a lot of campers on either side, but there is always a way to get out of the spawn and it's a well-balanced map.
It would be nice to have some custom maps, too... For example, mp_marketcentre is a nice map IMHO. Or some maps from CoD MWII such as mp_favela, mp_highrise, mp_terminal, mp_scrap... It would bring something new to the server.

Ok, tested quite a lot today and the hitreg is... meh. Sometimes a player stands right in front of me, I put a bullet through his head but it doesn't register.
And I totally have to agree with @CROdator that the lower the ping, the worse. When I play against someone with a ping around 20ms, I can barely hit him. When it's someone with ping above 100ms, I can hit him without any problem. I've also tried different `cl_packetdup` values ranging from 1 to 3 and sometimes 1 felt a bit "faster" if you will.
And what's most surprising to me is that AKu is more accurate than AK. For me, AK is barely usable here.

And for God's sake, remove the M21!  

Ok, tested quite a lot today and the hitreg is... meh. Sometimes a player stands right in front of me, I put a bullet through his head but it doesn't register.
And I totally have to agree with @CROdator that the lower the ping, the worse. When I play against someone with a ping around 20ms, I can barely hit him. When it's someone with ping above 100ms, I can hit him without any problem. I've also tried different `cl_packetdup` values ranging from 1 to 3 and sometimes 1 felt a bit "faster" if you will.
And what's most surprising to me is that AKu is more accurate than AK. For me, AK is barely usable here.

And for God's sake, remove the M21!  

I totally agree about the map rotation! Some of the maps are really atrocious in TDM. For example, Ambush, Chinatown, Vacant... They are just way too unbalanced. Crash is fine in my opinion because it's balanced. Yes, there is a lot of campers on either side, but there is always a way to get out of the spawn and it's a well-balanced map.
It would be nice to have some custom maps, too... For example, mp_marketcentre is a nice map IMHO. Or some maps from CoD MWII such as mp_favela, mp_highrise, mp_terminal, mp_scrap... It would bring something new to the server.

I did ask for the Demo provided and i personally thought he was using something such as No recoil&Wallhack, i even got a second opinion and they thought the same aswell, i didn't ban ban due to head admins being more experienced then i am and maybe they would choose a better decision other then i did.

However due to him not being banned, i will personally take it upon myself to keep an eye on this player!
 
I am happy to recieve any demo's or evidence regarding this matter

All these gameplay updates aside, is there anyway we can get a new map rotation? These maps are getting quite old and a lot of players are asking for new maps, as admins we can change the maps ourselves but the players cant without having half the players voting yes and when it's full of 36 people, it's very difficult to actually get the map to change.

There is quite a few maps where it is literally impossible to get out of the spawn trap , e.g. Vacant, chinatown ,crash  i actually switch to spectator during these maps(most of the time) due to not being able to get out. I'm not an inexperienced player either and even for me its extremely difficult when the spawns are being hard locked by campers and grenades. Or maybe a function that is able to be put in that gives the team that cannot move from spawn a chance to actually get out.
 

Tested a little, this is a good idea, it became even more convenient to play. It even seemed that the perfect balance (maybe it is). As for the hitreg, it seems to have become much better, but I can’t give a definite answer (my ping and FPS do not give me the opportunity to fully assess this problem).

I would like to make a suggestion to tone down nade spam and generally balance nades alltogether.
 
Have grenades deal a lower amount of damage when the player spawns. Not enough to 1 hit a player at full health, and over time (30 seconds - 1minute times can be adjusted of course) slowly have the damage increase back up to full. Either immediately after the time limit is up or progressively increasing. The damage resets back to minimum after you die, and each time you respawn you have to wait the time limit for the grenade to do max damage again. This won't restrict you from throwing the grenade as soon as you spawn, but if you do it won't do much damage. Its a risk / reward system. 
 
Another idea would be to tie the acquisition of a grenade and the damage it can do based off kills, like a kill streak. You won't spawn with a grenade, 1 kill gives you 1 but it doesn't do much damage untill you get 2 or 3 kills. Or just make it entirely a kill streak and scrap the increasing damage model. Grenades do not carry over between deaths. Obtaining one and dying means you lose it. 
 
The first option would probably take more time getting players to adjust to how the damage system works, its generally based around grenade balance more so then fixing nade spam, although I'm sure once players figure out how it works nade spam will decrease a bit. Second option could be both grenade balance and fixing nade spam, or just fixing nade spam. 

Anticamp update attempt 2
 
Ditching the complex math behind it and keeping it simple this time.
 
Player health is now 30 again, wallbang damage does 67% damage. 
Anti camp has 3 levels: 100%, 67% and 34%. Semi auto sniper rifles start at 67% damage. On average everytime you go down a level, you will need 1 more shot to kill a player.
To drop a level you must be camping for 10 seconds per level. (10 seconds camp - 67%, 20 second camp - 34%). This timer will recharge 1.6s per every 1 real second you keep moving (you move a bit more than 6 seconds and you can camp for 10 seconds). The timer is invisible, you can only see your current damage.
 
What counts as not camping: As long as you walk in a straight line you will not trigger the anti camp. Rapidly moving left and right or moving while ADSing will count as camping due to greatly reduced speed, however you can normaly crouch walk or even moving while prone will not trigger the anti camp. In a nutshell - if you are not ADSing and holding the W key down, it will not count as camping.
 
Also curious if hitreg got a bit better.
 
 

Thanks a lot for removing the RPGs!

@leiizko What made you change the player's HPs anyway? Even with stopping power, Deagle isn't one-tapping now Many people are still questioning whether this server is still HC.

Ad the hitreg, I dare to say it was always slightly off, but yeah, it feels a bit worse now. And also, sometimes when I kill someone, the kill gets confirmed after like 200ms or so... Happens only sometimes and not exclusively when the other player is lagging. And my ping was stable at the time of noticing this.

Thank you so much for the updates especially removing RPG's!!
I'm glad health has been reduced also as not one shotting with the deagle was infuriating XD
 
As for the hitreg , i've noticed it seems to of got worse,i will play a bit more today and get a better feel and record what i get.

I would say the wallbang damage should be set back to what it was prior to this update. The walls being penetrable wasn't the root cause of the problem anyway. The problem is campers who just hold one spot that is hard to reach from the opposing team. Yes, on crash this very spot is also easily penetrable through a wall, but that's just in this particular case.

And after many other gameplays, I think it's safe to say that the anti-camp feature should really be applied to sniper class, too, regardless of the weapon of choice. Since this update, so many players started using various sniper rifles, mainly M21, SVD and Barret. So half of the server consists of snipers now.

Also, increasing the players' health resulted in people asking if this is still an HC server. Deagle isn't one shot one kill anymore, even with higher impact. And even though the health got increased, some weapons, such as M21, are still OP. So I would go the other way around, that is decreasing the damage of the problematic weapons.

Nevertheless, it feels like we're getting into an XY problem here. And I think we should really focus on solving X, rather than trying to figure out ways to solve Y which is actually a problem caused by X.
In other words, the problem was that on this server there are too many notorious campers. This problem is now being mitigated by lowering weapon damage in case the player doesn't move for a certain period of time. And although it could still use some polishing, I think it's this that we should focus on. After this issue is addressed, we can think about the other problems we've talked about, such as the problem with grenade and RPG spamming.

I would say the wallbang damage should be set back to what it was prior to this update. The walls being penetrable wasn't the root cause of the problem anyway. The problem is campers who just hold one spot that is hard to reach from the opposing team. Yes, on crash this very spot is also easily penetrable through a wall, but that's just in this particular case.

And after many other gameplays, I think it's safe to say that the anti-camp feature should really be applied to sniper class, too, regardless of the weapon of choice. Since this update, so many players started using various sniper rifles, mainly M21, SVD and Barret. So half of the server consists of snipers now.

Also, increasing the players' health resulted in people asking if this is still an HC server. Deagle isn't one shot one kill anymore, even with higher impact. And even though the health got increased, some weapons, such as M21, are still OP. So I would go the other way around, that is decreasing the damage of the problematic weapons.

Nevertheless, it feels like we're getting into an XY problem here. And I think we should really focus on solving X, rather than trying to figure out ways to solve Y which is actually a problem caused by X.
In other words, the problem was that on this server there are too many notorious campers. This problem is now being mitigated by lowering weapon damage in case the player doesn't move for a certain period of time. And although it could still use some polishing, I think it's this that we should focus on. After this issue is addressed, we can think about the other problems we've talked about, such as the problem with grenade and RPG spamming.

I would say the wallbang damage should be set back to what it was prior to this update. The walls being penetrable wasn't the root cause of the problem anyway. The problem is campers who just hold one spot that is hard to reach from the opposing team. Yes, on crash this very spot is also easily penetrable through a wall, but that's just in this particular case.

And after many other gameplays, I think it's safe to say that the anti-camp feature should really be applied to sniper class, too, regardless of the weapon of choice. Since this update, so many players started using various sniper rifles, mainly M21, SVD and Barret. So half of the server consists of snipers now.

Also, increasing the players' health resulted in people asking if this is still an HC server. Deagle isn't one shot one kill anymore, even with higher impact. And even though the health got increased, some weapons, such as M21, are still OP. So I would go the other way around, that is decreasing the damage of the problematic weapons.

Nevertheless, it feels like we're getting into an XY problem here. And I think we should really focus on solving X, rather than trying to figure out ways to solve Y which is actually a problem caused by X.
In other words, the problem was that on this server there are too many notorious campers. This problem is now being mitigated by lowering weapon damage in case the player doesn't move for a certain period of time. And although it could still use some polishing, I think it's this that we should focus on. After this issue is addressed, we can think about the other problems we've talked about, such as the problem with grenade and RPG spamming.

Well, it's an HC server, so weapons with higher calibre should be one shot one kill in case of torso/head-shot

Well, it's an HC server, so weapons with higher calibre should be one shot one kill in case of torso/head-shot

-Maybe we could set the snipers to have same thing but with longer delay, so they can stay put but not for too long.
Or as @Milad noted, some snipers are not so problematic.. so lower their dmg a bit or include semi-auto snipers to the anti camp.

-Also we could increase wallbang damage to 50%, some weapons barely do anything through walls now.
Some walls are easily penetrated, like in the killhouse map, there is no helping that map, hah.

And I noticed that the percentage of damage sometimes starts at the value which was active when you died, don't know if it' is a visual or something else.

The thing is in our servers you shouldn't consider m21 a sniper!! It actually is an assault with a scope and a low recoil...
it is really hard to kill some of these m21 campers in some specific locations (not in every map of course), especially now that you can't wallbang them either. so what to do?! one option is to make it hard for them to kill (like reduced damage to 30% so 4shots of m21 is needed for one kill)

Thank you very much for this update, @leiizko, it's a noticeable change!
I have a few notes based on a few gameplays.
I would definitely apply the same rules to snipers, however, with a different rate. And maybe even based on if the scope is a bolt action (M40, R700), or semi-automatic (M21, SVD, Barret) rifle. The DMG status should be reflected in the killcam. Now when someone kills me with apparently lower DMG, I can still see my DMG status. The wallbang damage got decreased way too much, I think. If you see a player running behind a fence made of sheet metal, it should be penetrable easily. Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible in CoD4 to differentiate between individual object entities and set the penetrability respectively. And even if it was doable, it would be so much hassle to go through all the objects. And during normal gameplay, wallbangs are inherently not the issue anyway, the problem is when campers start abusing them by shooting through one wall for the duration of one map (which should get mitigated by the anticamp feature anyway ). So, if at all, I would decrease the wallbang damage a bit less. Regarding the grenade spam situation - which can get pretty atrocious in a higher player count - it would be nice if the grenades were gained only by running a certain distance. For example, after running 500m, you'd get a grenade. This, I believe, would improve the gameplay significantly, as there are many players who throw random grenades right after they spawn, making the battle look more like a minefield. As it was already noted, I would also try doing something with the RPGs, either remove them from the mod altogether or at least reduce the number of RPGs; It's like with grenades, many players just tend to spam them into random places. Other than that, great job, @leiizko and thank you again

Thank you very much for this update, @leiizko, it's a noticeable change!
I have a few notes based on a few gameplays.
I would definitely apply the same rules to snipers, however, with a different rate. And maybe even based on if the scope is a bolt action (M40, R700), or semi-automatic (M21, SVD, Barret) rifle. The DMG status should be reflected in the killcam. Now when someone kills me with apparently lower DMG, I can still see my DMG status. The wallbang damage got decreased way too much, I think. If you see a player running behind a fence made of sheet metal, it should be penetrable easily. Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible in CoD4 to differentiate between individual object entities and set the penetrability respectively. And even if it was doable, it would be so much hassle to go through all the objects. And during normal gameplay, wallbangs are inherently not the issue anyway, the problem is when campers start abusing them by shooting through one wall for the duration of one map (which should get mitigated by the anticamp feature anyway ). So, if at all, I would decrease the wallbang damage a bit less. Regarding the grenade spam situation - which can get pretty atrocious in a higher player count - it would be nice if the grenades were gained only by running a certain distance. For example, after running 500m, you'd get a grenade. This, I believe, would improve the gameplay significantly, as there are many players who throw random grenades right after they spawn, making the battle look more like a minefield. As it was already noted, I would also try doing something with the RPGs, either remove them from the mod altogether or at least reduce the number of RPGs; It's like with grenades, many players just tend to spam them into random places. Other than that, great job, @leiizko and thank you again

Thank you very much for this update, @leiizko, it's a noticeable change!
I have a few notes based on a few gameplays.
I would definitely apply the same rules to snipers, however, with a different rate. And maybe even based on if the scope is a bolt action (M40, R700), or semi-automatic (M21, SVD, Barret) rifle. The DMG status should be reflected in the killcam. Now when someone kills me with apparently lower DMG, I can still see my DMG status. The wallbang damage got decreased way too much, I think. If you see a player running behind a fence made of sheet metal, it should be penetrable easily. Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible in CoD4 to differentiate between individual object entities and set the penetrability respectively. And even if it was doable, it would be so much hassle to go through all the objects. And during normal gameplay, wallbangs are inherently not the issue anyway, the problem is when campers start abusing them by shooting through one wall for the duration of one map (which should get mitigated by the anticamp feature anyway ). So, if at all, I would decrease the wallbang damage a bit less. Regarding the grenade spam situation - which can get pretty atrocious in a higher player count - it would be nice if the grenades were gained only by running a certain distance. For example, after running 500m, you'd get a grenade. This, I believe, would improve the gameplay significantly, as there are many players who throw random grenades right after they spawn, making the battle look more like a minefield. As it was already noted, I would also try doing something with the RPGs, either remove them from the mod altogether or at least reduce the number of RPGs; It's like with grenades, many players just tend to spam them into random places. Other than that, great job, @leiizko and thank you again

Useful update. I did not notice any special losses, everything suits me, BUT it seems to me that the damage through the walls should have been left somewhere by 30-35%, because in some places it looks like a too strong nerf. Of course, I am against spamming through walls, but for some maps this is a useful feature. Since there are many little things that interfere to hit the target. Well IDK. 
What do you think?
Good job @leiizko 

Due to it being highly requested anti camp system has been added to the server. Rest of the updates will come in a patch at a later date.
 
How it works: 
You will see a DMG % number in bottom right side of your screen. Your shots do the shown % of base weapon damage. Moving will keep this % at 100. Minimum damage is 33%, snipers keep their full damage (subject to change).
 
Additionally wallbangs now only deal 25% of base damage and are also affected by the anti camp damage modifier. Lastly player HP has been increased to 50, so a lot of weapons will no longer insta kill.
 
The system is still in experimental phase and might require some tweaking to get the balance right.
 
TL;DR:
Anti camp added, if you camp you do less damage,
Wallbangs do 75% less damage,
Player HP increased from 30 to 50.